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Vercingetorix
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:18 am

I will second the edit that Vegito made. Foil, until you step up to take a leadership position and dedicate the hours and hours that leaders do, you've got no room to criticize Dana over this informative post. Yes, our alliance has many veteran players, many very experienced players that do not need assistance on issues like the troop tool.

However, we also have players that are new to the game but none the less show dedication and promise. If you are not in leadership, you do not know how some players have a difficult time with aspects of the game like the troop tool - especially if English is not their first language, getter can be confusing at first. I have exchanged countless igms with players trying to figure it out - and at times I just step in and make the account for them and tell them how to change the email and password once they log in. It can be frustrating and time consuming to be in leadership, yet we do put in the time for the good of the alliance. It is in this light that posts like Dana made is helpful to players and also hopefully helpful for leadership in that it gives us more time to play this game we all enjoy.

An apology would be fitting on your part, Foil.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:30 am

Where were u, ooh magnificent leaders, when I was bashed to bits by Bloodbath ? Anyone can write anything to the friggin troopandtool, so what? I have tight cooperation with top attackers from our allies, I shield their backs when they get the medals, thats it. In my opinion there are ppl who work and gain no acknowledgement and some nobility ( like pupitza and chevys...) who has special rights and everything is bad when someone dares to attack them. Czechs are much, much better than this alliance, with class division crap like in old India. My surrounding is under control of vandals or our allies and I have no small part on it. So thats my opinion. Someone build defenses , have no medals,no fame and lives hapily. And someone spams forums, mms and thinks that without him/her there will be no sun tommorow. Seriously, get a life, ppl. Leading is a privilege, not a duty. If u are unsatisfied with my services, I will gladly move to CZ alliance, it will only improve my current cooperation with them. Make your choice, my king
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:50 pm

Foil, you are referring to something that happened back in March. If you continue to feel ill will toward players because of what happened back three and a half months ago, then it sounds like you have issues that you have never resolved with Vandals~ leadership.

Yes, in March you requested action on a player attacking you. However, there were never any scouting reports posted. You never mentioned the size or timing of the player attacking. You did show one player making very small attacks against your foe that failed.

There were two possible courses of action. 1) Request a CFD. Yet you did not give any of the information needed to effectively mount a defense. 2) Ask for an offensive. To be done most effectively, this should be done through igm. Sadly, many players do not check the forum regularly as they rely on igm, mm, and skype instead. It is always best to approach the leaders in your wing first and if you do not get a timely response, then approach the leaders of other wings.

However, why you feel that what happened three and a half months ago means you should deride a leader's post meant to be helpful to newer players is the question here. Lashing out, attacking, and being profane toward fellow players is not wise or acceptable. I have seen nothing in Dana's posts that express an opinion that she thinks that "without her there will be no sun tomorrow." And yes, she has put an incredible amount of time into serving this alliance. She redesigned this forum, organized our troop tool, and assisted in setting up our skype channels. It is easy for someone who has done none of those things to discount the many, many hours she has dedicated to the alliance. You can check with any of the leaders in our alliance and others - there is ALWAYS a shortage of players CAPABLE and WILLING to sink in the many hours that it takes to lead an alliance. Leaders in our alliance are always willing to delegate duties and are very glad to welcome in extra help from capable, trustworthy players. Truth is, it seems there are NEVER enough players willing to STEP UP and HELP. Truth is, as much as we love this game, it BURNS OUT many leaders - last s8 nearly destroyed my marriage due to the vast amount of hours I spent. And yes, it is ridiculous to let a game intrude into real life like that - I just felt guilty at even the thought of the (at one point) hundreds of players in my meta and just walking away from them. I stuck by them at a high personal cost because of the friendships built in this game and in recognition of the time and money people invest in this game and the way we rely on each other. It is also part of the reason I have taken more of a back-seat this time around - though yes, it still makes me feel a little guilty to see other leaders shouldering more of the load, knowing what they are going through and me not lending more of a helping hand. And then to see someone like you come in here and tell someone who has sunk countless hours into this alliance and basically tell them to f-off ... it pisses me off in the extreme because I actually know the sacrifices that leaders are making on the behalf of the alliance players. Sacrifices you evidently have no clue of.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:30 pm

So basically u were fucking afraid of losing your precious troops you have only for medals and wws and u simply threw me overboard and I had to find help elsewhere. Once there were post referring to some alliance that " consists of defensive players, who just protect their leaders" well, isnt it Vandals alliance ? When chevys or pupitza got attacked, there were tons of mms, millions of troops ad crop spend and all the mess around. When an average Joe gets attacked what happens? He got ignored . So thats how it works: Some nobles have protection, purification, artifacts, hammers, oases, best mcs, everything and others are here to secure them these things. And when they dare to question their almost divine rights, they are scolded down. When I got around 10 mms about the friggin troopantool, I got angry. But when this shit appeared here, I got mad. Do we have to repeat over and over the same stuff ? Its pitiful. Autumnman said he saw a traitor. I saw 200 of them. And dont cry that way, we have like 6 leader accounts where are like 20-30 ppl, which is quite enough. Companies are ran with smaller management. You are telling you love some ppl. Impossible. Maybe I like some ppl here but I love none of them.
Grey wolf: Fuck off.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:45 am

Dear Foil,

That tutorial for gettertool site is for unexperienced players that aren't familiar with that site. We have a couple of them in alliance and I wanted to make a place for them to refer to when needed. Also, I wanted to continue with it, cause getter has many options that are useful for all travian players.

Your comment to "f**k off" regarding that tutorial wasn't too well appreciated. Especially since I consider myself a lady and I never talk other than polite to all.

If you know how to use it, I am very glad for you. But we have over 200 players that maybe aren't as experienced as you are (if you are). We have to think of them too, not only at those that knows things.

Also, you should know that chevys has no leadership position, but s/he is actively involved in alliance actions and for those like them we have always jump to help.
Also, that I was attacked many times on com8, but only asked for help when I got artefact at me, cause that is important. Not for my villages I was worried, but for artefact.
So, please get your facts right and after that point the finger to others.

I send many messages regarding getter because I am that tool admin (stupid me, I took that job over me). And it is a useful tool, even if you like it or not. And if you make weekly updates, very god for you. But are many others that needs reminders to do it. Don't take all messages personal, cause they aren't. This is why they are called "mm - MASS messages" and not "personal messages". If you do your part, then just close message and move on.

Also, notice that this is a GAME. We, like all of you PLAY this game. We do not HAVE TO lead, we CHOOSE to do it. Like any other alliance on travian, Vandals needs leaders to lead them too. But if you do not like your leaders, you aren't obligated to stay along our side. You can move in any other alliance on server and hope for a better leadership. WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST, but we are humans too. We are NOT PERFECT. And we deal with each player problems in our free time. Sometimes we have more, sometimes we have less.

I repeat: It is just a GAME. Threat it like it is.

Thank you.

-dana

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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:36 am

I remember, we did call a CFD for foil villages. And I also remember Bloodbath deleted before we did any offensive towards him.

I really don't know where all this bitterness is coming from. But I personally don't care for such type of attitude.

This is a game and the motto of game is to win the endgame. And the honor of winning the endgame lies with not a single player/account but whole team.

PS: Chevys is not in anyway leader/officer in Vandals at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:03 am

I'm in no way a leader or anywhere near the top players in the alliance, i defend alot of the time and get no recognition... i don't expect it... considering we are all supposed to be a team... i got a CFD out to everyone because i provided the right information to leadership and i got an amazing response to which i thanked others in another thread.

Don't bitch and moan when things go wrong, take it on the chin and get on with it.

Being a part of Vandals means to work as a team.... and you should know by now that medals don't really mean anything... i think the Start, Butterfly, Lemars events have been prime examples.

The rules for CFD are out there.... you didn't give much helpful information and i remember following your thread thinking, if he can't do it properly even with all the advise given then i'm not gonna sacrafice my troops.


If you're really that unhappy man, then join the CZ alliances. it will be a bad loss on our part but at least you'll be happier. i Don't mean this in a bitter way, but you would be better off Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:04 am

Foil has been banned from the forum and kicked from the alliance.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:15 am

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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:40 am

Dear Foil,

Foil wrote:
Where were u, ooh magnificent leaders, when I was bashed to bits by Bloodbath ?
Bloodbath never cated you, he only raided. and you went screaming. I personally offered to help, and you not only refused but called me a coward for scouting first. I don't believe anyone will help you, I'm sorry.

Foil wrote:
I have tight cooperation with top attackers from our allies, I shield their backs when they get the medals, thats it.
oh really, BRs please. me and Kelly are usually the only ones providing D around the area.

Foil wrote:
Czechs are much, much better than this alliance
for you, mister, I believe no alliance is good enough for you
Rolling Eyes
Foil wrote:
My surrounding is under control of vandals or our allies and I have no small part on it.

you didn't help one bit

Foil wrote:
Someone build defenses , have no medals,no fame and lives hapily.
alliance need D players, I play D, and many, many other players, I don't find that a problem.

Foil wrote:
Leading is a privilege, not a duty.
man, you never been a leader, thats a hell job, I'm never going to do it

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PostSubject: Re: Comments of getter tutorial   Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:13 pm

Foil is not in Vandals anymore - so I am not sure that there is any point in this thread - but here goes anyway:
This is a great example of how something small, almost ridiculous is blown out of porportion.
I do not share Foils feelings towards the "small" players. I am no giant (9 Villages), and surely not in the leadership - yet every time I asked for help from Cruiser - I got thousands of troops in minutes - even without writing a correct CFD.
On the other hand - it is a shame to lose players like Foil at this stage - I am sure he will not exactly try and help Vandals in the future (this is put mildly....)
As Pupitza (whom I admire for all the work she has done) put it: IT IS ONLY A GAME.

Save your extreme feelings towards the enemies (and there are still a few out there!!)

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